1 00:00:23,870 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:26,580 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:30,910 episode number 251 for the 11th of 4 00:00:36,630 --> 00:00:34,330 august 2013 Richard Saunders here with 5 00:00:38,130 --> 00:00:36,640 you from Sydney Australia what an 6 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:38,140 interesting show we have lined up for 7 00:00:43,170 --> 00:00:41,290 you this week my good friend my dear 8 00:00:46,350 --> 00:00:43,180 friend who I haven't seen from the wild 9 00:00:48,630 --> 00:00:46,360 dr. Phil Plait is in town and just the 10 00:00:51,950 --> 00:00:48,640 other night I went along to hear a 11 00:00:54,780 --> 00:00:51,960 public talk by Phil death from the skies 12 00:00:57,299 --> 00:00:54,790 accompanied by joanne benim ooh and 13 00:01:00,109 --> 00:00:57,309 after that we were very lucky indeed to 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:00,119 visit the sydney observatory with phil 15 00:01:05,609 --> 00:01:03,970 and get some behind-the-scenes a little 16 00:01:07,530 --> 00:01:05,619 behind-the-scenes tour I guess you would 17 00:01:09,149 --> 00:01:07,540 say we went up to the top of the 18 00:01:13,050 --> 00:01:09,159 observatory and saw the city at night 19 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:13,060 and then then we went in and observed 20 00:01:19,109 --> 00:01:16,420 some stars and planets now this is your 21 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:19,119 chance to be a annie's dropper as it 22 00:01:23,670 --> 00:01:20,770 were a little fly on the wall in the 23 00:01:27,870 --> 00:01:23,680 observatory is Phil play tonight and Joe 24 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:27,880 and Ben amoo here into the telescope to 25 00:01:34,139 --> 00:01:31,329 look at the wonders of the cosmos you 26 00:01:35,940 --> 00:01:34,149 might say that's coming up at the top of 27 00:01:38,039 --> 00:01:35,950 the show and I hope you enjoy that I 28 00:01:40,649 --> 00:01:38,049 hope you enjoy that following that it's 29 00:01:42,989 --> 00:01:40,659 an interview with Tim Farley from what's 30 00:01:45,510 --> 00:01:42,999 the harm net what's the harm you might 31 00:01:48,510 --> 00:01:45,520 say what's the harm find out more with 32 00:01:50,609 --> 00:01:48,520 Tim Farley from what's the harm net and 33 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:50,619 then we'll round off the show with the 34 00:01:55,859 --> 00:01:52,630 weakened science from the Royal 35 00:01:58,529 --> 00:01:55,869 Institution of Australia yes a slightly 36 00:02:00,209 --> 00:01:58,539 shorter show this week partly because 37 00:02:02,399 --> 00:02:00,219 I'm very busy at the moment are 38 00:02:04,230 --> 00:02:02,409 preparing for the mystery investigator 39 00:02:06,389 --> 00:02:04,240 show my good friend Ian Bryce who does 40 00:02:08,430 --> 00:02:06,399 the show with me sometimes and I will be 41 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:08,440 performing at the Australian Museum for 42 00:02:13,350 --> 00:02:10,690 lots of kids lots of high school kids 43 00:02:15,059 --> 00:02:13,360 this week coming up when are we 44 00:02:17,340 --> 00:02:15,069 performing Tuesday Wednesday and 45 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:17,350 Thursday I think and then the following 46 00:02:22,670 --> 00:02:18,970 week we're doing some shows for some 47 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:22,680 younger kids science week here in 48 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:25,090 Australia and the mystery investigators 49 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:27,910 love to get out there and do our show 50 00:02:34,410 --> 00:02:31,930 about questioning claims now somebody 51 00:02:35,910 --> 00:02:34,420 else who likes to question claims 52 00:02:39,030 --> 00:02:35,920 is none other than our very own dr. 53 00:02:42,030 --> 00:02:39,040 Ricci dr. Rachel Dunlop dr. Reggie will 54 00:02:45,510 --> 00:02:42,040 be speaking in Canberra on the 55 00:02:48,900 --> 00:02:45,520 seventeenth of August between three and 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:48,910 four thirty p.m. the location is 57 00:02:53,130 --> 00:02:51,850 Questacon king edward terrace and i 58 00:02:55,910 --> 00:02:53,140 think people in canberra certainly 59 00:02:59,309 --> 00:02:55,920 nowhere Questacon is it's free admission 60 00:03:02,009 --> 00:02:59,319 Wow free admission what more could you 61 00:03:05,250 --> 00:03:02,019 ask for now dr. H is going to be giving 62 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:05,260 a talk thinking outside the box how 63 00:03:10,710 --> 00:03:08,170 blue-green algae coconut bat soup and 64 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:10,720 the jungles of Guam provide clues to the 65 00:03:16,350 --> 00:03:13,769 causes of motor neuron disease good 66 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:16,360 heavens I think the message there folks 67 00:03:22,259 --> 00:03:19,450 is a mmm don't eat that bat soup for 68 00:03:27,150 --> 00:03:22,269 more information go to ww canberra 69 00:03:28,890 --> 00:03:27,160 skeptic co BAU and I'm sure dr. rachy 70 00:03:30,630 --> 00:03:28,900 when she's in Canberra we'll be hearing 71 00:03:33,030 --> 00:03:30,640 more interesting and exciting details 72 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:33,040 about the upcoming Australian skeptics 73 00:03:37,530 --> 00:03:35,170 National Convention and we'll play the 74 00:03:40,530 --> 00:03:37,540 little little promotion of that towards 75 00:03:42,330 --> 00:03:40,540 the end of the show dr. H II not to be 76 00:03:44,430 --> 00:03:42,340 missed well that's all from me at the 77 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:44,440 moment I'm just gonna stand up here walk 78 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:46,769 over the other side of my office where 79 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:52,810 hello sweetie this is Adele hello she 80 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:54,130 keeps me company up here in my office 81 00:03:59,220 --> 00:03:56,650 sometimes and she's rolling on her back 82 00:04:03,240 --> 00:03:59,230 looking too cute for words yes hello 83 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:03,250 sweetheart here we go well I thought I'd 84 00:04:06,539 --> 00:04:04,930 just give you a little bit of cuteness 85 00:04:11,430 --> 00:04:06,549 into your life folks what do you say 86 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:11,440 Adele there we go well you're gonna stay 87 00:04:16,620 --> 00:04:13,690 there right you stay there Adele lie in 88 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:16,630 the Sun on top of my main little 89 00:04:23,490 --> 00:04:21,250 wardrobe while you're doing that yes I'm 90 00:04:26,940 --> 00:04:23,500 going to run downstairs I'm going to 91 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:26,950 find some miso soup you like the miso 92 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:30,130 soup yes I thought so well maybe not I'm 93 00:04:35,730 --> 00:04:32,080 gonna find some miso soup which I quite 94 00:04:52,930 --> 00:04:35,740 like yes and we'll all enjoy the skeptic 95 00:04:52,940 --> 00:05:05,060 you soon dr. Phil place 96 00:05:09,380 --> 00:05:07,160 well thank you thank you Jeff and thank 97 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:09,390 you everybody for coming it's very very 98 00:05:15,260 --> 00:05:11,490 exciting to be in Australia I love this 99 00:05:16,670 --> 00:05:15,270 country you guys are so cool every 100 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:16,680 single one what's the best part about 101 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:19,050 going to Australia us and you surrounded 102 00:05:24,260 --> 00:05:22,770 by Australians also standing on my head 103 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:24,270 and seeing all of them upside down 104 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:25,710 constellations you guys have here 105 00:05:30,410 --> 00:05:28,080 watching a riot come over the horizon 106 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:30,420 upside down is something that will stay 107 00:05:35,420 --> 00:05:32,610 with me Chris to Atlanta's seriously 108 00:05:37,340 --> 00:05:35,430 freaky and the other night I saw alpha 109 00:05:39,650 --> 00:05:37,350 beta Centauri and summer concert you 110 00:05:43,130 --> 00:05:39,660 don't get to see as well as Sagittarius 111 00:05:45,730 --> 00:05:43,140 and Scorpius overhead which does not 112 00:05:48,170 --> 00:05:45,740 happen at nor managers that's very cool 113 00:05:51,140 --> 00:05:48,180 it's really really exciting to be here 114 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:51,150 also you guys have I just go into a 115 00:06:01,250 --> 00:05:56,250 store my mentees a board index we've 116 00:06:02,930 --> 00:06:01,260 been eating Tim Tams all day so good so 117 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:02,940 it's a real pleasure to hear the last 118 00:06:06,260 --> 00:06:04,440 time I was here was actually 10 years 119 00:06:08,090 --> 00:06:06,270 ago I was brought here by Richard 120 00:06:10,670 --> 00:06:08,100 Saunders was in fact in the audience 121 00:06:13,310 --> 00:06:10,680 with the Australian skeptics and 122 00:06:16,670 --> 00:06:13,320 wonderful toward I'm doing a few cities 123 00:06:18,470 --> 00:06:16,680 here again Sydney reminds me a lot of 124 00:06:20,570 --> 00:06:18,480 San Francisco where I'll engines when I 125 00:06:22,780 --> 00:06:20,580 come here and sleeping home and then 126 00:06:26,890 --> 00:06:22,790 nice and kangaroos hopping around so yes 127 00:06:30,100 --> 00:06:26,900 good reminder a long way from home so 128 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:30,110 years ago as Jeff mentioned I studied 129 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:33,090 supernova 1987a which is a star that 130 00:06:37,220 --> 00:06:35,490 exploded in another galaxy but 131 00:06:38,690 --> 00:06:37,230 relatively close by you could actually 132 00:06:43,580 --> 00:06:38,700 go outside and see it with your naked 133 00:06:46,430 --> 00:06:43,590 eye and I always kind of liked exploding 134 00:06:48,490 --> 00:06:46,440 stars of grub learning about neutron 135 00:06:52,670 --> 00:06:48,500 stars all black holes and libraries up 136 00:06:55,100 --> 00:06:52,680 and I've always been fascinated by that 137 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:55,110 sort of thing this epic disasters i love 138 00:06:59,060 --> 00:06:57,210 disaster movies i mean i think most 139 00:07:00,950 --> 00:06:59,070 people didn't right now I going on 140 00:07:02,510 --> 00:07:00,960 roller coasters and being scared and I 141 00:07:05,510 --> 00:07:02,520 know that at the end I'll be able to get 142 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:05,520 often and be happy and just remember the 143 00:07:09,650 --> 00:07:07,650 thrill oriental porn movies drunken 144 00:07:12,220 --> 00:07:09,660 reason like them as well so if you 145 00:07:16,810 --> 00:07:12,230 combine these two things and you like 146 00:07:19,970 --> 00:07:16,820 gigantic catastrophic cosmic events and 147 00:07:23,030 --> 00:07:19,980 you like talking about sort of threats 148 00:07:24,590 --> 00:07:23,040 to life it's very easy to make so this 149 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:24,600 too much choice outs that's fun to be 150 00:07:32,150 --> 00:07:29,330 talking about i'm at just an amazing 151 00:07:34,909 --> 00:07:32,160 situation my friends with an amazing man 152 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:34,919 dr. Phil Plait hello hey skeptics owners 153 00:07:40,130 --> 00:07:38,010 hey we three back on we are on top of 154 00:07:42,020 --> 00:07:40,140 the city observatory we are on top of 155 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:42,030 the Sydney observatories isn't a place 156 00:07:46,850 --> 00:07:44,370 you get to see very often and it's a 157 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:46,860 brilliant night the moon is setting over 158 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:49,530 there with Venus bright as I've ever 159 00:07:53,180 --> 00:07:51,570 seen it in the city it's pretty whole 160 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:53,190 city is just laid before it's all lit up 161 00:07:56,990 --> 00:07:54,930 yeah we're standing in front of the 162 00:08:00,980 --> 00:07:57,000 harbor and you can see the Harbormaster 163 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:00,990 tower the bridge and return around here 164 00:08:04,969 --> 00:08:02,850 course you can't see that in luna park 165 00:08:06,860 --> 00:08:04,979 and the Magnificent opera house is all 166 00:08:09,230 --> 00:08:06,870 their force it's hard to believe I'm 167 00:08:10,310 --> 00:08:09,240 standing here again and you just come in 168 00:08:11,870 --> 00:08:10,320 and then every time you come to 169 00:08:13,940 --> 00:08:11,880 Australia which is an awful which is now 170 00:08:15,830 --> 00:08:13,950 twice plus including this one you look 171 00:08:17,420 --> 00:08:15,840 up in heavens and you're thinking you're 172 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:17,430 standing on your head it's just so funny 173 00:08:20,420 --> 00:08:19,290 so completely it's odd i mean we're here 174 00:08:22,219 --> 00:08:20,430 on the observatory i can look out over 175 00:08:24,020 --> 00:08:22,229 the bridge in luna park and i can see 176 00:08:26,270 --> 00:08:24,030 Vega and Altair and these are very 177 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:26,280 familiar stars but if I turn a little 178 00:08:31,190 --> 00:08:28,560 bit to the left and I guess you know I'm 179 00:08:32,810 --> 00:08:31,200 facing west and I can see Saturn and 180 00:08:35,030 --> 00:08:32,820 Spica and Arcturus and these are all 181 00:08:36,350 --> 00:08:35,040 very familiar stars but because you in 182 00:08:38,350 --> 00:08:36,360 the northern hemisphere we get him yeah 183 00:08:40,580 --> 00:08:38,360 and then I turn you know toward 184 00:08:41,990 --> 00:08:40,590 obviously that's south 185 00:08:43,580 --> 00:08:42,000 and it's like oh they're day that would 186 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:43,590 be the Southern Cross an alpha and beta 187 00:08:48,470 --> 00:08:46,110 Centauri the rest of some tourists and 188 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:48,480 Scorpius is straight overhead it's just 189 00:08:54,230 --> 00:08:51,810 it's crazy it's so weird you know you're 190 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:54,240 you stand at Warren latitude and spin 191 00:08:57,380 --> 00:08:55,920 around and the stars rise and set and 192 00:08:59,150 --> 00:08:57,390 you're used to that but when you go 193 00:09:01,910 --> 00:08:59,160 north and south you're seeing different 194 00:09:05,510 --> 00:09:01,920 stars cuz the earth is no longer in the 195 00:09:07,700 --> 00:09:05,520 way of those stars yeah its just oh the 196 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:07,710 first night I got here it's alpha and 197 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:10,170 beta Centauri and it's just that's god I 198 00:09:14,090 --> 00:09:11,760 love that that's the closest star system 199 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:14,100 that we know of Emilio and there it is 200 00:09:18,260 --> 00:09:16,170 Mary there yeah that's right has kept 201 00:09:19,790 --> 00:09:18,270 them incredibly bright and you were 202 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:19,800 saying just before that when you landed 203 00:09:23,330 --> 00:09:21,270 you were looking at the mentholated 204 00:09:25,070 --> 00:09:23,340 clouds well no it was up but it was 205 00:09:27,980 --> 00:09:25,080 getting too bright i landed about 5am 206 00:09:30,170 --> 00:09:27,990 and i was at the brisbane airport and 207 00:09:31,250 --> 00:09:30,180 walked outside and i could i was looking 208 00:09:32,690 --> 00:09:31,260 a star and i'm looking at it thinking 209 00:09:34,340 --> 00:09:32,700 it's the right color and the right 210 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:34,350 brightness to be serious but i don't 211 00:09:39,290 --> 00:09:37,050 know if that's serious and that one's 212 00:09:41,150 --> 00:09:39,300 Cano piss but I had to pull out my iPad 213 00:09:42,740 --> 00:09:41,160 fiddling with it it's like oh okay and 214 00:09:45,110 --> 00:09:42,750 then i realized i was looking at orion 215 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:45,120 upside down but the longer I waited the 216 00:09:49,250 --> 00:09:47,130 brighter the sky god and then it was too 217 00:09:51,020 --> 00:09:49,260 late to see anything but that was that 218 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:51,030 was briefly later tonight maybe you 219 00:09:54,380 --> 00:09:52,290 might have a chance to see some more 220 00:09:56,930 --> 00:09:54,390 loads the hours go by yeah it's it's why 221 00:09:57,950 --> 00:09:56,940 this seven ish now yeah yeah I don't 222 00:09:59,930 --> 00:09:57,960 know if we'll be able to see the 223 00:10:02,770 --> 00:09:59,940 Magellanic Cloud but it's rising right 224 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:02,780 now but given that i spent four years 225 00:10:08,810 --> 00:10:06,330 three years years many many years 226 00:10:11,930 --> 00:10:08,820 multiple years looking at supernova 227 00:10:13,370 --> 00:10:11,940 1987a using Hubble and had never seen 228 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:13,380 the Magellanic Cloud then came down here 229 00:10:17,210 --> 00:10:15,810 back in 2004 with you yeah yeah and 230 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:17,220 sought for the first time you brought me 231 00:10:20,900 --> 00:10:19,050 up strongly ironmen went up the hill and 232 00:10:22,460 --> 00:10:20,910 we I mean you guys you jumped out of the 233 00:10:23,810 --> 00:10:22,470 car and i pointed out and I well I just 234 00:10:25,130 --> 00:10:23,820 I walk out of the car and looked up and 235 00:10:27,470 --> 00:10:25,140 just saw it and I was just standing 236 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:27,480 there like oh my god and I got a big 237 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:28,770 lump in my throat and I was about ready 238 00:10:33,260 --> 00:10:31,290 to weep yeah it was so beautiful to see 239 00:10:35,030 --> 00:10:33,270 that for the first time I was expecting 240 00:10:36,500 --> 00:10:35,040 like an Andromeda galaxy and it's so 241 00:10:39,170 --> 00:10:36,510 much better not so much bigger and 242 00:10:43,650 --> 00:10:41,699 we're leaders in ultra notable sighs oh 243 00:10:46,410 --> 00:10:43,660 well I've studied this I've got a 244 00:10:48,150 --> 00:10:46,420 million spectra of this from stus Phil 245 00:10:51,179 --> 00:10:48,160 Plait is looking at something in the 246 00:10:53,639 --> 00:10:51,189 flesh is a we say in the in the hydrogen 247 00:10:55,579 --> 00:10:53,649 gas yeah what are you looking at so 248 00:10:58,710 --> 00:10:55,589 there's a star called a to Karen a and 249 00:11:02,100 --> 00:10:58,720 it's what it's about 4th magnitude of 250 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:02,110 something like that and it's a 251 00:11:05,549 --> 00:11:03,490 supermassive star it's one of the most 252 00:11:07,859 --> 00:11:05,559 massive stars in galaxies it's called a 253 00:11:10,199 --> 00:11:07,869 luminous blue variable it's a very blue 254 00:11:12,299 --> 00:11:10,209 star and it's very luminous and it's 255 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:12,309 variable so you know what do you call it 256 00:11:17,129 --> 00:11:14,230 company you have no game i investigate 257 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:17,139 um she does variable stars oh she does 258 00:11:21,780 --> 00:11:18,850 this kind this is an extremely massive 259 00:11:23,309 --> 00:11:21,790 star 80 or more times the mass of the 260 00:11:25,949 --> 00:11:23,319 Sun it's basically the upper limit of 261 00:11:29,579 --> 00:11:25,959 how star how massive a star can be it's 262 00:11:31,079 --> 00:11:29,589 unstable it's basically so hot actually 263 00:11:33,449 --> 00:11:31,089 Adam and is tapping her foot I think she 264 00:11:35,189 --> 00:11:33,459 wants to come into we got a bunch of 265 00:11:36,629 --> 00:11:35,199 astronomers here who want to see and so 266 00:11:37,889 --> 00:11:36,639 this star the surface of the star is 267 00:11:41,369 --> 00:11:37,899 unstable it there's so much energy 268 00:11:44,220 --> 00:11:41,379 pouring up from below that it wants to 269 00:11:47,939 --> 00:11:44,230 blow the surface off and they're very 270 00:11:50,790 --> 00:11:47,949 unstable and 150 years ago or more the 271 00:11:53,999 --> 00:11:50,800 star had a massive outburst a paroxysm 272 00:11:55,499 --> 00:11:54,009 and it blew off these two lobes moving 273 00:11:57,689 --> 00:11:55,509 in opposite directions look like an 274 00:11:59,429 --> 00:11:57,699 hourglass and you can see that we've 275 00:12:00,749 --> 00:11:59,439 heard is just 16 inch telescope here at 276 00:12:03,090 --> 00:12:00,759 the Sydney Observatory you can see them 277 00:12:04,619 --> 00:12:03,100 in this event the star got tremendously 278 00:12:07,710 --> 00:12:04,629 bright it was like I think the second 279 00:12:09,869 --> 00:12:07,720 brightest star in the sky and what what 280 00:12:11,939 --> 00:12:09,879 the event was is it erupted with these 281 00:12:13,769 --> 00:12:11,949 two lobes and together those lobes 282 00:12:16,860 --> 00:12:13,779 themselves have about the mass of the 283 00:12:18,629 --> 00:12:16,870 Sun if I mean that that explosion is 284 00:12:20,970 --> 00:12:18,639 basically second only to the star 285 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:20,980 blowing up how many let users that way 286 00:12:26,069 --> 00:12:24,850 about 7,500 light-years and a de carne 287 00:12:27,210 --> 00:12:26,079 is an interesting star because it's 288 00:12:28,590 --> 00:12:27,220 going to explode someday it's gonna 289 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:28,600 become a supernova nobody really know 290 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:30,730 already has yeah it's possible it's one 291 00:12:33,769 --> 00:12:31,929 of the few stars it's actually far 292 00:12:36,980 --> 00:12:33,779 enough away um 293 00:12:38,900 --> 00:12:36,990 yay did that just that just that it's a 294 00:12:41,179 --> 00:12:38,910 bit disorder I think once brighter than 295 00:12:42,650 --> 00:12:41,189 the other so they may look bigger job 296 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:42,660 enemy was now peering through the 297 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:45,569 telescope and I had no idea yeah look at 298 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:47,730 me that smile or nothing well I've seen 299 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:49,170 it Hubble pictures it's very famous 300 00:12:53,059 --> 00:12:51,120 Hubble picture of this and we've 301 00:12:54,530 --> 00:12:53,069 observed it with the space telescope 302 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:54,540 imaging spectrograph which is the camera 303 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:56,610 I worked on for a long time and the 304 00:12:59,840 --> 00:12:58,050 specter of this when you break up the 305 00:13:01,730 --> 00:12:59,850 light into its individual colors is a 306 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:01,740 complete mess it's really hard to 307 00:13:06,470 --> 00:13:03,689 interpret because there's just so much 308 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:06,480 going on but these two lobes actually I 309 00:13:10,309 --> 00:13:08,970 never really thought about how big the 310 00:13:12,769 --> 00:13:10,319 lobes were I've seen a million pictures 311 00:13:14,749 --> 00:13:12,779 of it I never considered that with a 312 00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:14,759 relatively you know I'm not gonna call 313 00:13:18,470 --> 00:13:16,350 this small but you know it's not this 314 00:13:20,030 --> 00:13:18,480 isn't a four meter telescope you can 315 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:20,040 slap an eyepiece in and be able to see 316 00:13:23,869 --> 00:13:22,290 him that's astonishing what I got 317 00:13:27,980 --> 00:13:23,879 something for the astronomers in the 318 00:13:30,139 --> 00:13:27,990 room in the dome sorry okay so there is 319 00:13:31,790 --> 00:13:30,149 so much stuff out there to look at so 320 00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:31,800 much it's just ridiculous how do 321 00:13:37,689 --> 00:13:33,360 astronomers decide what they're gonna 322 00:13:42,980 --> 00:13:41,059 what school you know but I mean there is 323 00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:42,990 so much stuff going on out there so okay 324 00:13:46,610 --> 00:13:45,360 a particular start may or may not be 325 00:13:48,860 --> 00:13:46,620 doing something interesting at any one 326 00:13:50,869 --> 00:13:48,870 point or particular galaxy how do you 327 00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:50,879 decide of all this amazing sky to look 328 00:13:56,119 --> 00:13:54,480 at what is you know is it is it just the 329 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:56,129 images you get and that's what you yeah 330 00:13:59,389 --> 00:13:58,170 Oh in this case in this case it makes 331 00:14:01,759 --> 00:13:59,399 that like ask you a question to you in 332 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:01,769 my head of mates that's pretty does yeah 333 00:14:06,769 --> 00:14:05,490 no no no and we have maps up on the wall 334 00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:06,779 here that's computer display that shows 335 00:14:10,340 --> 00:14:08,910 the sky and I was just looking at it 336 00:14:13,129 --> 00:14:10,350 looking around it's like oh you know 337 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:13,139 we've got some torres's up so let's look 338 00:14:17,269 --> 00:14:14,610 at Omega Centauri it's a globular 339 00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:17,279 cluster and Centaurus and my eye fell on 340 00:14:22,309 --> 00:14:20,160 on on Karina and I just thought oh that 341 00:14:24,590 --> 00:14:22,319 that'd be nice and I've never I've never 342 00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:24,600 seen it so why not take a look and there 343 00:14:27,679 --> 00:14:26,399 it is oh no why you are this part of the 344 00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:27,689 world would not yeah I mean I'm not 345 00:14:30,829 --> 00:14:28,800 gonna get a chance to see this again 346 00:14:34,970 --> 00:14:30,839 when i'm looking at how low this is this 347 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:34,980 is way below my heart even bolder 30 or 348 00:14:40,610 --> 00:14:36,649 40 degrees i would guess i don't know 349 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:40,620 that's yeah there's a Southern Cross 350 00:14:45,860 --> 00:14:42,770 this is way farther south than I can see 351 00:14:49,220 --> 00:14:45,870 that's magnificent from another 352 00:14:51,470 --> 00:14:49,230 perspective a few what to answer a 353 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:51,480 particular science question then you 354 00:14:54,770 --> 00:14:52,800 have to figure out what things might 355 00:14:56,390 --> 00:14:54,780 potentially be the most the best way 356 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:56,400 it's actually accessed that and then 357 00:14:59,330 --> 00:14:58,050 science question or you could go a 358 00:15:01,160 --> 00:14:59,340 different way and say well I'm trying to 359 00:15:02,570 --> 00:15:01,170 answer this science question I can do 360 00:15:04,820 --> 00:15:02,580 some different methods but maybe I 361 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:04,830 really want to use that great telescope 362 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:10,170 that's in Chile so I is a clever project 363 00:15:14,270 --> 00:15:12,450 that would allow me to use that or I 364 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:14,280 started to actually study things very 365 00:15:16,730 --> 00:15:15,570 very far away in the universe but 366 00:15:18,620 --> 00:15:16,740 they're just these little specks of 367 00:15:20,750 --> 00:15:18,630 light and not terribly beautiful so I 368 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:20,760 started to study near more clothes 369 00:15:24,260 --> 00:15:22,530 galaxies and more clothes galaxies 370 00:15:25,850 --> 00:15:24,270 because they start to get resolved and 371 00:15:27,950 --> 00:15:25,860 you can see these great spiral arms so 372 00:15:31,070 --> 00:15:27,960 in that sense I wanted to actually look 373 00:15:33,860 --> 00:15:31,080 at a lot prettier pictures in my might 374 00:15:36,650 --> 00:15:33,870 add a life so I wanted to do nearby 375 00:15:39,860 --> 00:15:36,660 galaxies instead okay you just heard the 376 00:15:42,350 --> 00:15:39,870 voice of Amanda Bauer AKA at astro pixie 377 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:42,360 follow her on Twitter for dirty space 378 00:15:48,950 --> 00:15:46,110 news super scientists actually nothing 379 00:15:50,690 --> 00:15:48,960 for very much longer yeah it's true 380 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:50,700 whatever catches your interest i'm here 381 00:15:54,290 --> 00:15:52,050 it can be anything whatever is just 382 00:15:56,090 --> 00:15:54,300 visible there you go that's the 383 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:56,100 telescope moving now get a look at 384 00:15:59,720 --> 00:15:58,410 something new it screams cuz it doesn't 385 00:16:03,960 --> 00:15:59,730 want to move away from such a gorgeous 386 00:16:10,110 --> 00:16:06,990 hold down is moving folks we're going to 387 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:10,120 swing this around and look at Saturn 388 00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:12,730 it's quite disorientating ringing in a 389 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:16,360 room which is moving around you and you 390 00:16:22,350 --> 00:16:19,209 tell us scopus gas bubble come up and 391 00:16:25,740 --> 00:16:22,360 just move to out in that all right Jen 392 00:16:32,970 --> 00:16:25,750 better move steps up and sees Saturday 393 00:16:34,439 --> 00:16:32,980 oh wow oh my god that is amazing I've 394 00:16:37,019 --> 00:16:34,449 only ever been able to see it through my 395 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:37,029 dining hall skyscanner scope where all I 396 00:16:41,369 --> 00:16:38,800 could see was just these two little ears 397 00:16:48,210 --> 00:16:41,379 winking at me it's like oh I come in 398 00:16:51,689 --> 00:16:48,220 this is fast movie villains ya can oh my 399 00:16:53,550 --> 00:16:51,699 god that is just stunning you've never 400 00:16:55,379 --> 00:16:53,560 seen sad result I've seen it through 401 00:17:00,629 --> 00:16:55,389 mind a little skyscanner but all I can 402 00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:00,639 see years oh my singing through a big 403 00:17:06,779 --> 00:17:05,439 telescope wow it's so little I says it's 404 00:17:08,699 --> 00:17:06,789 always lit up when you look at it from 405 00:17:10,679 --> 00:17:08,709 Earth i guess but can you see a cap in 406 00:17:14,579 --> 00:17:10,689 the Rings yeah yes that's the 407 00:17:16,110 --> 00:17:14,589 Constitution yeah so I'm going to be an 408 00:17:18,059 --> 00:17:16,120 item of mindless I'm looking at the 409 00:17:20,569 --> 00:17:18,069 shadows outside the Rings brilliantly 410 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:20,579 bracelets or moons don't around disease 411 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:23,289 it's quite something I can see the 412 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:24,730 shadow actually I can see the shadow 413 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:26,770 just behind sentence casting on the 414 00:17:37,919 --> 00:17:36,010 Rings ah something like I've just waited 415 00:17:41,820 --> 00:17:37,929 to say probably in order to jewel-box 416 00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:41,830 now yes yeah a jewel box now Phil's 417 00:17:48,210 --> 00:17:43,360 walking over to the telescope he's 418 00:17:51,149 --> 00:17:48,220 peering through and ya know wow that's 419 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:51,159 amazing look at the colors it's called 420 00:17:55,890 --> 00:17:52,570 the jewel box because of all the 421 00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:55,900 different colored stars god there's a 422 00:18:00,990 --> 00:17:58,960 gorgeous red star next one that's just 423 00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:01,000 sort of dulling ish is white but then 424 00:18:04,860 --> 00:18:02,260 there's a blue one on the other side 425 00:18:07,049 --> 00:18:04,870 listen is at this stage may google the 426 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:07,059 duel book so they can see what Philly is 427 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:08,890 talking about you want to you want to 428 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:10,450 see pictures this is very pretty it's an 429 00:18:14,820 --> 00:18:12,510 open cluster which means it's um a 430 00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:14,830 collection of stars that probably form 431 00:18:18,260 --> 00:18:15,600 together and 432 00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:18,270 they're just a tight little not theirs I 433 00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:19,710 don't know a couple hundred stars here 434 00:18:24,250 --> 00:18:21,809 it's surprising to see this many colors 435 00:18:26,450 --> 00:18:24,260 though I wonder if that red one is a 436 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:26,460 case got to be a red giant if it were 437 00:18:30,650 --> 00:18:27,890 dwarfed we wouldn't be able to see it so 438 00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:30,660 it's probably a luminous red giant like 439 00:18:36,380 --> 00:18:32,960 a star that's more evolved in the Sun 440 00:18:41,659 --> 00:18:36,390 very pretty go take a look looks walking 441 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:41,669 over to the my pace now and very I'm 442 00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:43,890 quite impressed about how sharp the 443 00:18:47,710 --> 00:18:45,600 focus is and yes the colors are 444 00:18:51,740 --> 00:18:47,720 magnificent look at that I just Falls 445 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:51,750 Thank You Phil Phil there's a this 446 00:18:59,960 --> 00:18:57,570 nearby stars Walter Ruby cruises it's 447 00:19:03,110 --> 00:18:59,970 while the rid of styles can ever say oh 448 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:03,120 yeah yeah it's a carbon star isn't yeah 449 00:19:16,970 --> 00:19:11,760 oh cool Oh carbon stars her stuff your 450 00:19:18,289 --> 00:19:16,980 absorption lines are confusing me back 451 00:19:21,289 --> 00:19:18,299 in the day when I was when I was working 452 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:21,299 on Hubble we got this image of these two 453 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:22,650 stars they were right next to each other 454 00:19:26,149 --> 00:19:23,970 and they turns out they were in the 455 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:26,159 Large Magellanic Cloud satellite galaxy 456 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:28,230 the Milky Way mm-hmm and it was it was 457 00:19:31,549 --> 00:19:29,970 just coincidental picture with somebody 458 00:19:32,899 --> 00:19:31,559 was using another camera to look at 459 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:32,909 something else in our camera happened to 460 00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:34,320 be point in that direction we took took 461 00:19:38,419 --> 00:19:36,870 the pictures and I've ever seen them 462 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:38,429 than going home they're almost exactly 463 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:39,690 the same brightness that's kind of neat 464 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:44,130 and we had spectra which when you use a 465 00:19:47,390 --> 00:19:46,110 prism or grading and break the light up 466 00:19:48,740 --> 00:19:47,400 into its individual colors you can 467 00:19:50,029 --> 00:19:48,750 actually determine a lot of 468 00:19:51,470 --> 00:19:50,039 characteristics about the object you're 469 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:51,480 looking at how hot it is what it's made 470 00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,090 of if it has carbon oxygen whatever in a 471 00:19:56,539 --> 00:19:55,679 lot of different things so I thought I 472 00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:56,549 wonder what these aren't only look at 473 00:20:01,039 --> 00:19:59,039 the spectra and the spectra were crazy 474 00:20:02,690 --> 00:20:01,049 squiggles going up and down all over the 475 00:20:04,909 --> 00:20:02,700 place couldn't make heads or tails out 476 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,919 of it and a lot of times for like a gas 477 00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:06,480 cloud or different kind of different 478 00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:08,340 kinds of stars the spectra very well 479 00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:10,620 behaved you see you see a shape to it 480 00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:12,900 you see dips and and and and bumps and 481 00:20:16,460 --> 00:20:14,190 you know what they all are but these 482 00:20:17,870 --> 00:20:16,470 were just a mess and then when I looked 483 00:20:19,340 --> 00:20:17,880 at both stars and compared to two 484 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:19,350 spectra the two Spectre work almost 485 00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:20,730 exactly 486 00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:22,799 saying which is getting to be really 487 00:20:27,020 --> 00:20:24,960 creepy so I have two stars of the same 488 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:27,030 brightness and clearly something going 489 00:20:31,580 --> 00:20:28,710 on under the same we realize their 490 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:31,590 carbon stars they're highly evolved 491 00:20:36,890 --> 00:20:34,770 every old stars like the Sun that expand 492 00:20:38,990 --> 00:20:36,900 up they turn into red giants and they're 493 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:39,000 very cool stars they're red but as they 494 00:20:44,419 --> 00:20:41,570 expand they the carbon in the atmosphere 495 00:20:45,740 --> 00:20:44,429 absorbs the light coming out of the star 496 00:20:47,630 --> 00:20:45,750 so when you break that light up into a 497 00:20:49,610 --> 00:20:47,640 spectrum you see all these sort of 498 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:49,620 missing sections of the spectrum where 499 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:51,809 carbon absorbs the light and carbon has 500 00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:53,910 these crazy absorption lines are all 501 00:20:57,620 --> 00:20:56,280 over the place what's weird as carbon 502 00:20:59,210 --> 00:20:57,630 stars typically don't have similar 503 00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:59,220 spectra and so to have two that are the 504 00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:00,840 same brightness that close together that 505 00:21:07,310 --> 00:21:04,740 are almost exactly the same was freakin 506 00:21:08,450 --> 00:21:07,320 bizarre and I've never been able to 507 00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,460 explain it and they were about a light 508 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:10,320 year apart i calculated it if they're at 509 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:11,850 the distance of the Magellanic Cloud 510 00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:13,490 their light your parts way too far away 511 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:16,620 from each other to be a binary star they 512 00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:18,090 may have formed at the same time I 513 00:21:22,150 --> 00:21:19,679 couldn't understand why they would be 514 00:21:24,409 --> 00:21:22,160 dying at the sass not very far all is it 515 00:21:25,490 --> 00:21:24,419 there's dogs to be well they big enough 516 00:21:26,990 --> 00:21:25,500 yeah but they're not they're not 517 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:27,000 orbiting each other a light-year is 518 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:28,650 tremendously far for two storms or two 519 00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:30,090 each other but but two stars allow your 520 00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:31,230 apartment the nearest start of the Sun 521 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:33,780 is full it's for ya so stars are more 522 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:36,330 densely packed there and I i was totally 523 00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:37,650 baffled and we talked a bunch of 524 00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:39,720 astronomers nobody could explain it so I 525 00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:41,070 thought I need to talk to a carbon star 526 00:21:45,169 --> 00:21:43,140 person I found a guy and said listen 527 00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:45,179 I've got all this free data it's from 528 00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:48,750 Hubble it's crazy sharp spectra and it's 529 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:50,220 a complete mystery and he's like now I'm 530 00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:51,570 too busy I got too many other things to 531 00:21:56,210 --> 00:21:53,750 do I can't deal with this data and 532 00:21:58,220 --> 00:21:56,220 mysteries never been solved as far as I 533 00:22:01,940 --> 00:21:58,230 know we've never able to figure enough 534 00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:01,950 it eats at me it's been 20 years so 535 00:22:06,169 --> 00:22:03,419 we're looking at one now is it look red 536 00:22:08,210 --> 00:22:06,179 to you Joe no blue to me ah not because 537 00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:08,220 that's the if you learn to read from 538 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:10,440 since the recursive second row started 539 00:22:17,539 --> 00:22:13,890 with something across just let ya run it 540 00:22:20,539 --> 00:22:17,549 to the ridiculously bright one yeah this 541 00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:20,549 isn't the garnet stargazing no garnet is 542 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:26,630 I wonder over again and have another 543 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:32,810 look through this eyepiece good heavens 544 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:35,310 yes i see i see the red one in the blue 545 00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:38,730 wake up mr. blue one that's astonishing 546 00:22:41,630 --> 00:22:40,260 i'm looking for the finder i can 547 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:41,640 certainly see the blue it's very blue 548 00:22:46,670 --> 00:22:44,370 yeah yeah really is and the red one is 549 00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,680 quite quite red and quite tiny compared 550 00:22:52,820 --> 00:22:48,480 what does beta Crucis is abby's are or 551 00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,830 no sir our way to look at that right if 552 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:54,240 only we had some sort of way of 553 00:23:01,610 --> 00:22:55,770 connecting to some sort of knowledge 554 00:23:04,550 --> 00:23:01,620 base oh look at how red that is that's 555 00:23:06,530 --> 00:23:04,560 phenomenal so Jeff wide here at the city 556 00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,540 Observatory this is a tremendous 557 00:23:10,510 --> 00:23:08,640 opportunity we're enjoying tonight 558 00:23:12,980 --> 00:23:10,520 having a look at these wonderful stars 559 00:23:14,690 --> 00:23:12,990 but the observatory is here for 560 00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:14,700 everybody in cities now yes that's right 561 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:17,820 so we're open 363 days and nights a year 562 00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:20,610 a bit garnish we not anymore we've cut 563 00:23:24,650 --> 00:23:22,980 back on our Sunday nights oh you so it's 564 00:23:26,540 --> 00:23:24,660 every day except Sunday and Good Friday 565 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:26,550 and Christmas Day fair enough so that 566 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:28,530 people can come along and have a look 567 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:30,090 through our telescopes on a night like 568 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:32,010 tonight it's an absolutely spectacular 569 00:23:36,050 --> 00:23:34,650 view it's great it's I mean the moon is 570 00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:36,060 setting so there's not too much 571 00:23:39,470 --> 00:23:37,440 pollution from the moon light pollution 572 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:39,480 areas but I suppose when the moon's up 573 00:23:44,420 --> 00:23:41,610 right it's wonderful look at two yeah we 574 00:23:47,180 --> 00:23:44,430 love the earth obviously the forward 575 00:23:49,910 --> 00:23:47,190 gets the less you see the faint objects 576 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:49,920 looking at a moment ago e to careen or 577 00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:51,810 in the globular clusters but to trade 578 00:23:56,660 --> 00:23:54,600 off the neuron nearest nicest prettiest 579 00:23:58,250 --> 00:23:56,670 object to look at yeah yeah except of 580 00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:58,260 course when it's full it's the worst 581 00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,380 time to get it right so overwhelming 582 00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:03,600 yeah there's no shadows low contrast 583 00:24:07,340 --> 00:24:05,460 Ryan yeah it's like staring at a light 584 00:24:09,980 --> 00:24:07,350 bulb trying to read 40 watts written on 585 00:24:11,180 --> 00:24:09,990 the bottom and what's the if people want 586 00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:11,190 to find out more I want to come and 587 00:24:15,290 --> 00:24:13,020 visit what's the website dr. Sidney 588 00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:15,300 Observatory com that's pretty easy it is 589 00:24:19,610 --> 00:24:17,880 so Jeff look thank you very much for 590 00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:19,620 this opportunity with having a wonderful 591 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:22,140 time and phil's just beside himself so 592 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:38,450 be reasonable is a podcast of the 593 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,260 Merseyside skeptics Society featuring 594 00:24:44,509 --> 00:24:42,480 hayley stevens and michael marshall each 595 00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:44,519 monthly interview explores beliefs from 596 00:24:48,259 --> 00:24:46,740 outside of the mainstream engaging with 597 00:24:50,029 --> 00:24:48,269 proponents to those beliefs to examine 598 00:24:52,820 --> 00:24:50,039 the evidence and reasoning behind each 599 00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:52,830 idea in July's episode we speak with 600 00:24:58,460 --> 00:24:55,080 andrew burton from the anti-abortion 601 00:25:00,740 --> 00:24:58,470 activist group 40 days for life listen 602 00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,750 to Andy's story and back issues to the 603 00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:02,880 shore by visiting merseyside skeptics 604 00:25:19,780 --> 00:25:05,220 talked at UK forward slash podcasts or 605 00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:22,790 I'm delighted to catch up with an old 606 00:25:27,020 --> 00:25:25,140 friend of mine who I think I met 607 00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:27,030 originally an Atlanta probably at a 608 00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,120 dragon con some years back Tim folly 609 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:32,880 what's the harm net good to seize him 610 00:25:37,790 --> 00:25:34,710 it's good to see you Richard thank you 611 00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:37,800 it's a day blip blip blip what for if 612 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:40,230 damn at the moment day for ya thursday 613 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:42,510 friday saturday sunday i don't know 614 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:44,010 about you but i had a bit of a late 615 00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:46,050 night because the poker tournament went 616 00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:48,840 on yeah i love my ring last night but 617 00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:51,480 I've had some late nights it goes we 618 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:54,120 start early at 8am and it goes well past 619 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:56,330 midnight so you can hear yourself out oh 620 00:26:01,940 --> 00:25:58,650 the coffee's gone but just across the 621 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:01,950 whole before there was this what's the 622 00:26:06,740 --> 00:26:03,450 harm done it how long is that being 623 00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:06,750 going now it's been going since 2008 so 624 00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:09,960 five years same as the skeptic zone how 625 00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:12,510 about yeah yeah all right because the 626 00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:14,340 skeptic zone was launched at DragonCon 627 00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,070 Atlanta 2008 oh yeah randa and i remit 628 00:26:20,150 --> 00:26:18,480 yeah and i remembered that's why I met 629 00:26:22,780 --> 00:26:20,160 you because that's where the first time 630 00:26:25,940 --> 00:26:22,790 I got one of your what's the harm got 631 00:26:28,910 --> 00:26:25,950 our odds yeah and I think I even had a 632 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:28,920 t-shirt at one stage yeah early on I had 633 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:30,810 a few t-shirts just to promote it when 634 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:32,910 no one knew what it was yeah I guess I'm 635 00:26:36,290 --> 00:26:34,770 that t-shirt and I suddenly remember the 636 00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:36,300 katsu souther cards were a nice simple 637 00:26:42,650 --> 00:26:40,710 design yeah yeah and so five years of 638 00:26:45,050 --> 00:26:42,660 doing the website hows it progressed 639 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:45,060 how's it changed its well and has to 640 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:46,740 change much it's pretty much the same 641 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:49,110 design i've just added more cases and 642 00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:51,690 actually I haven't I'm in the middle of 643 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:54,630 doing a revamp of it I've kind of gotten 644 00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:55,770 to the point where i've gotten too many 645 00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:57,900 projects you know how it is yeah i know 646 00:27:01,400 --> 00:26:59,400 where i have what's the harm and i have 647 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:01,410 a blog called skep tools and then i do 648 00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:03,810 social media stuff and i do some work 649 00:27:09,980 --> 00:27:07,230 for jrf as a research fellow and it's 650 00:27:12,170 --> 00:27:09,990 tough kind of keeping track of it all so 651 00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:12,180 one of the things i would like to do is 652 00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:13,760 get what's the harm in 2a 653 00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,430 forum where others can help me with it 654 00:27:21,370 --> 00:27:17,840 and unfortunately the way I originally 655 00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:21,380 built it it's kind of kind of tricky to 656 00:27:25,540 --> 00:27:23,390 update the site I have to kind of do it 657 00:27:27,070 --> 00:27:25,550 myself you would thinking of that five 658 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:27,080 years ago what you just wanted to get a 659 00:27:31,090 --> 00:27:28,730 sideout yeah I just wanted to get a site 660 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:31,100 out there that was simple and so I wrote 661 00:27:36,790 --> 00:27:32,690 a piece of software just to help me 662 00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:36,800 manage the database but i'm thinking 663 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:39,470 i'll move it to some more standardized 664 00:27:43,870 --> 00:27:41,450 platform like a blogging platform give 665 00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:43,880 this side anova whole revamp outlook 666 00:27:48,130 --> 00:27:46,430 yeah it will probably you know i'll try 667 00:27:49,630 --> 00:27:48,140 to make it look very similar in the way 668 00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:49,640 it looks but one of the things i 669 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:51,110 definitely want to do is have the 670 00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:53,090 opportunity to have some longer content 671 00:27:58,990 --> 00:27:56,240 because a lot of the stories are there 672 00:28:00,520 --> 00:27:59,000 isn't much detail to talk about but 673 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:00,530 occasionally you get a story where 674 00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:02,330 there's a lot of media coverage on and 675 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:05,510 I'd like to be able to you know cover 676 00:28:09,910 --> 00:28:07,970 those more deeply do longer posts about 677 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:09,920 those and the way I do the site now 678 00:28:14,740 --> 00:28:12,530 doesn't allow for that so if I moved it 679 00:28:17,970 --> 00:28:14,750 to a say a blogging platform I could do 680 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,980 that and over the years how many new 681 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:20,000 areas of interest for those people who 682 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:22,250 mean maybe new to this sort of thing 683 00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:25,010 what's the harm net it comes from the 684 00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:27,710 expression people say oh well you don't 685 00:28:32,860 --> 00:28:30,620 believe in XYZ door this healing but 686 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:32,870 what's the harm right really and your 687 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:34,850 site says well here's the Harmon you 688 00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,130 provide cases yeah and and one of the 689 00:28:41,710 --> 00:28:39,440 things I had noticed was it always comes 690 00:28:43,540 --> 00:28:41,720 up with homeopathy and several the other 691 00:28:46,330 --> 00:28:43,550 things and I had noticed when people do 692 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:46,340 magazine articles about these these 693 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:49,310 things its standard sort of formula for 694 00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:51,170 magazine articles you find a personal 695 00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:53,270 story you lead with the personal story 696 00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:55,760 then you flesh out what the details of 697 00:29:00,880 --> 00:28:58,070 the science are and why whatever this is 698 00:29:02,620 --> 00:29:00,890 is bad and then you you but give it a 699 00:29:04,270 --> 00:29:02,630 button at the end with the ending of the 700 00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:04,280 story but each magazine article would 701 00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:06,830 have one story that that reporter had 702 00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:08,840 found and i had read several articles 703 00:29:12,130 --> 00:29:10,460 about some of these things it's like 704 00:29:12,669 --> 00:29:12,140 well there's this one story here and 705 00:29:13,989 --> 00:29:12,679 then this 706 00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:13,999 other article has this other story 707 00:29:17,859 --> 00:29:15,950 wouldn't it be neat if we could could 708 00:29:19,869 --> 00:29:17,869 put those all in one place so people 709 00:29:21,609 --> 00:29:19,879 could see all the stories and then link 710 00:29:23,259 --> 00:29:21,619 back to the articles and then some of 711 00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:23,269 them just had never been collected they 712 00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:24,950 were just little news items because some 713 00:29:28,989 --> 00:29:26,360 of these news items will just pass by 714 00:29:32,139 --> 00:29:28,999 and unless you're a skeptic and paying 715 00:29:34,899 --> 00:29:32,149 attention you wouldn't notice that you 716 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:34,909 say you know the in obituaries notice 717 00:29:39,369 --> 00:29:37,610 that oh wait this was a homeopath and 718 00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:39,379 they were treating their cancer with 719 00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,460 homeopathy and this is a what's the harm 720 00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,200 case and here's to being what's to harm 721 00:29:50,109 --> 00:29:47,840 so what was some of the things when you 722 00:29:53,470 --> 00:29:50,119 first launch the site five years ago 723 00:29:55,149 --> 00:29:53,480 what were the topics and and and added 724 00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:55,159 to that what are some of the newer 725 00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,710 topics over the years yeah I started 726 00:30:01,749 --> 00:29:59,600 with you know some of the classic alt 727 00:30:03,399 --> 00:30:01,759 med things stuff that I could find on 728 00:30:05,169 --> 00:30:03,409 some of the existing sites where the 729 00:30:07,509 --> 00:30:05,179 cases were there but they were spread 730 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:07,519 across different pages on the site like 731 00:30:12,190 --> 00:30:10,369 quack watch and you know australian 732 00:30:14,649 --> 00:30:12,200 skeptic site and anybody who had written 733 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:14,659 about some of these issues and just kind 734 00:30:18,430 --> 00:30:16,610 of going around and collecting the story 735 00:30:20,980 --> 00:30:18,440 so i had you know homeopathy and 736 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:20,990 naturopathy and some of the religious 737 00:30:27,609 --> 00:30:23,570 topics and then i tried to start to look 738 00:30:33,460 --> 00:30:27,619 for some more kind of off the beaten 739 00:30:35,019 --> 00:30:33,470 path things so i added Fung Shui at one 740 00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:35,029 point I found a very interesting story 741 00:30:40,509 --> 00:30:36,710 where someone ended up getting stabbed 742 00:30:43,419 --> 00:30:40,519 in a fight and the fight was over Fung 743 00:30:46,810 --> 00:30:43,429 Shui stuff it was just amazingly weird 744 00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,820 story and numerology there were some 745 00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:48,559 people who got arrested because they 746 00:30:54,639 --> 00:30:51,919 were manipulating a currency in Hong 747 00:30:56,379 --> 00:30:54,649 Kong simply to get bills that had the 748 00:30:58,239 --> 00:30:56,389 right numbers in their serial number 749 00:31:00,190 --> 00:30:58,249 they weren't actually stealing anything 750 00:31:01,869 --> 00:31:00,200 they were just moving dot you know they 751 00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,879 worked in a bank and they were basically 752 00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:03,679 going through the money that was there 753 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:05,929 looking for the bills that had the you 754 00:31:09,639 --> 00:31:07,610 know that you know all eighths or 755 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:09,649 whatever the lucky number was and taking 756 00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:11,210 those bills for themselves and then 757 00:31:15,220 --> 00:31:12,950 replacing them with other bills so they 758 00:31:17,650 --> 00:31:15,230 weren't stealing but it was considered 759 00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:17,660 impropriety to be messing around in 760 00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:21,200 and ended up getting fired so I tried to 761 00:31:27,370 --> 00:31:22,940 expand that out and I even added a 762 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:27,380 category for GPS partially so that so 763 00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:29,450 many of my categories have really sad 764 00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:32,150 stories and the GPS page is something 765 00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,470 that you can just kind of laugh at 766 00:31:37,390 --> 00:31:35,600 because the worst thing that happens on 767 00:31:40,150 --> 00:31:37,400 that page is someone ruins their car 768 00:31:42,130 --> 00:31:40,160 yeah no one no one ever got killed but 769 00:31:43,450 --> 00:31:42,140 they might wreck a car or something run 770 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:43,460 it into a lake or something like that 771 00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:47,210 have you had criticism over the years 772 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:48,740 people writing in to you saying right 773 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:50,690 why is this on what's the harm but well 774 00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:53,570 I'm every so often I get somebody pops 775 00:31:56,860 --> 00:31:55,220 up and says oh well why don't you 776 00:31:59,620 --> 00:31:56,870 include Big Pharma and all the people 777 00:32:02,920 --> 00:31:59,630 that are healed right now I have a guy 778 00:32:06,130 --> 00:32:02,930 who is an hiv/aids denier to you know 779 00:32:08,110 --> 00:32:06,140 they deny that the HIV virus causes the 780 00:32:09,580 --> 00:32:08,120 AIDS disease and that the AIDS disease 781 00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:09,590 is actually caused by something else 782 00:32:14,050 --> 00:32:11,750 entirely which is amazing that they 783 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:14,060 persist in that because we're 784 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:16,130 successfully treating aids patients with 785 00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:18,410 with the you know and there's plenty of 786 00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,110 evidence for it but they persist and he 787 00:32:25,930 --> 00:32:23,360 so he's emailing me not I don't get a 788 00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:25,940 ton you know one of the reasons is is 789 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:28,430 that I didn't I don't call attention to 790 00:32:32,110 --> 00:32:30,170 the fact that the site is mine if you 791 00:32:34,530 --> 00:32:32,120 look around on the site you can find an 792 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:34,540 email address and email me and 793 00:32:41,290 --> 00:32:37,610 occasionally I get these funny emails 794 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:41,300 where people say you know you're 795 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:45,110 obviously trying to hide because you 796 00:32:49,270 --> 00:32:47,330 know it took me 15 minutes to find this 797 00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:49,280 email to send it to you and it's like 798 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:52,580 well but you you found it so I'm really 799 00:32:59,170 --> 00:32:57,410 not hiding that well mi so yeah early on 800 00:33:00,850 --> 00:32:59,180 I didn't even have my name on the site 801 00:33:03,130 --> 00:33:00,860 and then people were very suspicious of 802 00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:03,140 that so i added a thing in this in the 803 00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,070 faq page that we're identify myself but 804 00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:08,960 yeah people always accuse you of being 805 00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:12,500 in the pocket of however their nemesis 806 00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:14,380 is yes Big Pharma or 807 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:18,520 big whoever so and I usually just try to 808 00:33:24,990 --> 00:33:23,050 send a polite reply I the recent guy was 809 00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:25,000 complaining that i didn't have comments 810 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:27,880 on the site and you know so obviously 811 00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:30,010 you're not interested in free speech and 812 00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,720 i pointed out to him i said you know 813 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:33,760 you're completely free to post whatever 814 00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:36,610 you want on another website that's right 815 00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,160 there's only about a billion other 816 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:41,440 websites as you can use to post whatever 817 00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:44,050 you want on the energy how people think 818 00:33:49,170 --> 00:33:46,350 they have a right to dictate how you 819 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:49,180 what you do on your own web page yet but 820 00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:51,490 I knew all along I didn't really want to 821 00:33:55,950 --> 00:33:53,350 have comments on the site because I just 822 00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:55,960 knew it would get out of hand it wit it 823 00:34:01,620 --> 00:33:59,200 would ya even on facebook if i if i post 824 00:34:03,140 --> 00:34:01,630 a skeptical story sometimes this can you 825 00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:03,150 turn into hundreds and hundreds of 826 00:34:08,430 --> 00:34:05,920 arguments and fights and says well i'm 827 00:34:11,879 --> 00:34:08,440 surprised sometimes people do that 828 00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:11,889 because I'm skeptical and I'm posting a 829 00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:14,200 skeptical story on my own Facebook page 830 00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:16,060 what do people expect the enterprise 831 00:34:21,570 --> 00:34:20,230 right yeah but that happens and what are 832 00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:21,580 the other projects are involved with 833 00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,340 well I've got the skeptics blog and I do 834 00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:27,520 a segment on skeptic ality kind of 835 00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:29,560 irregularly now where I do skeptic 836 00:34:33,629 --> 00:34:31,270 history and then some of the stuff from 837 00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,639 skip tools so i call it skepticism past 838 00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:35,679 and future and the history thing has 839 00:34:40,889 --> 00:34:37,510 been an interesting sort of side thing 840 00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:40,899 it started out as a basically kind of a 841 00:34:44,970 --> 00:34:42,550 gimmick so that i would have something 842 00:34:47,550 --> 00:34:44,980 to post that was skeptical every day on 843 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:47,560 my twitter feed even if i was busy and 844 00:34:53,310 --> 00:34:49,090 didn't have anything else to post that 845 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:53,320 day so every morning evening for your 846 00:34:59,610 --> 00:34:56,290 australian listeners but morning here in 847 00:35:02,130 --> 00:34:59,620 the US I I post oh you know today in 848 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:02,140 1942 and it'll be something interesting 849 00:35:05,610 --> 00:35:03,730 to skeptics you know some some 850 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:05,620 historical event for someone's birthday 851 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:09,130 and so researching that has led me to 852 00:35:12,570 --> 00:35:10,810 find a lot of interesting things that 853 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:12,580 I've written articles about and stuff 854 00:35:16,170 --> 00:35:14,770 like that and and here at tam we 855 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:16,180 actually had a whole workshop about 856 00:35:19,970 --> 00:35:17,650 skeptic history which was interesting 857 00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:19,980 and I presented some research that I did 858 00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:23,320 just trying to gather into one place a 859 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:24,950 list of all 860 00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:27,770 skeptic workshops and conventions and 861 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:31,190 skeptic amps and symposiums yes it had 862 00:35:35,650 --> 00:35:33,290 been held over the years and just to 863 00:35:38,410 --> 00:35:35,660 kind of find out you know how many 864 00:35:40,420 --> 00:35:38,420 countries have had them you know how 865 00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,430 many there been are there more now than 866 00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:42,800 there were before that sort of thing and 867 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:45,710 it was interesting it seems to match 868 00:35:50,650 --> 00:35:48,290 some research that I showed last year 869 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:50,660 about the growth in skeptic podcasts 870 00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:53,210 that skeptics since 2009 skeptic 871 00:35:58,510 --> 00:35:56,510 podcasts of just ballooned yeah and 872 00:36:00,250 --> 00:35:58,520 there's over a hundred of them now and 873 00:36:02,770 --> 00:36:00,260 the same thing has happened with 874 00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:02,780 conferences just since 2009 there's been 875 00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:04,940 a huge jump in a number of conferences 876 00:36:08,770 --> 00:36:07,310 that you can go to there's a lot of in 877 00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:08,780 the United States there's regional 878 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:11,000 conferences just about every other 879 00:36:14,829 --> 00:36:12,680 weekend somewhere in the United States 880 00:36:18,370 --> 00:36:14,839 are some sort of turning into stock I 881 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:18,380 can't wait yeah yeah I think every 882 00:36:21,609 --> 00:36:19,609 weekend you could probably get to a 883 00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:21,619 tricky gun for example if you look hard 884 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:24,470 enough it was like that's right while 885 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:26,810 Tim folly the address everybody what's 886 00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:30,050 the harm dotnet check it out next time 887 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:33,680 somebody says oh what's the harm in in 888 00:36:38,349 --> 00:36:36,250 in the chiropractic what's the harm 889 00:36:40,089 --> 00:36:38,359 acupuncture's pushing your neck around 890 00:36:42,010 --> 00:36:40,099 that's right you can go to what's the 891 00:36:43,810 --> 00:36:42,020 harm in timbale thank you very much 892 00:36:55,780 --> 00:36:43,820 thank you Richard 893 00:36:55,790 --> 00:37:01,550 Oh 894 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:05,100 hi I'm audit oh yeah Kristen or evil 895 00:37:08,430 --> 00:37:06,730 tips advice on logic lifted all the 896 00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:08,440 skeptics ohm ohm skip the comedian or 897 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:10,150 again the finish can prob get upper 898 00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:11,890 bleph a podcast or Flanagan escapes it 899 00:37:14,970 --> 00:37:12,760 would even make you look if I'm 900 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:14,980 attractive it's not since Rob I skipped 901 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:17,170 system alone or had professors the deep 902 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:18,910 plan architecture and calendar or 903 00:37:21,810 --> 00:37:20,530 escaped escaped irritated or like you 904 00:37:23,609 --> 00:37:21,820 till on will escape this killer sausage 905 00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:23,619 escapes his blog in a plethora d Emily 906 00:37:27,780 --> 00:37:25,030 Oh discrete areas have tape escapes is 907 00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:27,790 for domestic hina edita also skip say 908 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:31,270 stop mo hello I'm moderate and I'm 909 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:33,130 Kristin and we want to let you know that 910 00:37:37,140 --> 00:37:35,050 there are lots of Norwegian skeptics for 911 00:37:38,730 --> 00:37:37,150 you to get to know their blogs and pub 912 00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:38,740 mates and a podcast and the Norwegian 913 00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:40,510 skeptics also do paranormal tests and 914 00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:42,430 consumer activism to find out more 915 00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:45,070 Google Norwegian skeptics or visit skep 916 00:37:59,260 --> 00:37:57,070 this week in science we saw a lad 917 00:38:01,540 --> 00:37:59,270 culture hamburger and more effects of 918 00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:01,550 climate change this time on marine life 919 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:03,260 and did you hear the one about the 920 00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:13,730 cactus and the oil spill this week a 921 00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:15,800 beef burger was created by growing 922 00:38:21,130 --> 00:38:18,700 muscle cells harvested from a living cow 923 00:38:23,230 --> 00:38:21,140 theoretically this is a way to produce 924 00:38:25,450 --> 00:38:23,240 meat without the methane and carbon 925 00:38:27,790 --> 00:38:25,460 dioxide production associated with 926 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:27,800 cattle farming and using around one 927 00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:30,290 percent of the land by this new method 928 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:33,880 one cow would make 175 million burgers 929 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:36,650 whereas traditional farming would use 930 00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:38,810 four hundred and forty thousand cows 931 00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:41,390 this three hundred and seventy thousand 932 00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:43,580 dollar burger claims to be one hundred 933 00:38:50,890 --> 00:38:46,550 percent natural beef with no unnatural 934 00:38:52,990 --> 00:38:50,900 chemicals so would you eat it more 935 00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:53,000 evidence this week that warming oceans 936 00:38:57,610 --> 00:38:54,560 are messing about with our marine life 937 00:39:00,490 --> 00:38:57,620 an international team identified more 938 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:00,500 than 1700 changes in breeding patterns 939 00:39:05,950 --> 00:39:03,170 and habitats including many in Australia 940 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:05,960 marine species are shifting to cool the 941 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:08,090 region's much faster than land-based 942 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:10,730 species with some moving towards the 943 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:13,610 poles at around 72 kilometers per decade 944 00:39:18,430 --> 00:39:16,370 the report also found that the timing of 945 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:18,440 breeding and migration cycles is 946 00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:21,410 changing by four point four days each 947 00:39:28,780 --> 00:39:26,240 decade the spikes at cacti have inspired 948 00:39:31,330 --> 00:39:28,790 a novel way to remove oil from water 949 00:39:33,310 --> 00:39:31,340 plastic surgery doesn't necessarily 950 00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:33,320 increase your attractiveness but will 951 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:34,910 make you appear around three years 952 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:37,490 younger jumping spiders use a drag line 953 00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:39,890 of silk like a bungee cord hoping to 954 00:39:45,490 --> 00:39:42,230 stabilise their landing to hunt prey and 955 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:45,500 finally dogs also suffer from contagious 956 00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:47,510 yawning and are more likely to catch 957 00:39:54,110 --> 00:39:51,260 their owners yawn than a stranger's 958 00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:54,120 last week we asked what food was more 959 00:39:58,940 --> 00:39:56,460 likely to win you a Nobel Prize it's 960 00:40:01,280 --> 00:39:58,950 chocolate of course the paper is on our 961 00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:01,290 website and congrats to twitterers at 962 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:03,630 dock clock and at blue numeral who 963 00:40:07,310 --> 00:40:05,610 tweeted us the answer this week we're 964 00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:07,320 asking how dolphins recognize their 965 00:40:13,970 --> 00:40:10,140 buddies after 20 years is it by their 966 00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:13,980 face whistle flipper shape or smell 967 00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:16,950 tweet me your answer at our i underscore 968 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:20,940 a us hashtag week in sigh that's it for 969 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:22,890 this week in science we'll see you right 970 00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,370 here next week have you heard the one 971 00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:37,200 about how the illuminati in conjunction 972 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:38,820 with the US government are hiding the 973 00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:40,650 existence of aliens in order to ensure 974 00:40:44,090 --> 00:40:42,030 the supply of helium is kept low 975 00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:44,100 although the CIA the militant wing of 976 00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,480 the Freemasons are working with the 977 00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:47,280 elders of zion to take control of the 978 00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:48,420 population of the world through 979 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:50,910 fluoridated chemtrails canberra skeptics 980 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:52,530 incorporated on behalf of the shadow 981 00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,090 government will be massing an array of 982 00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:55,920 dark forces for the australian skeptics 983 00:41:00,650 --> 00:40:58,530 national convention 2013 this convention 984 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:00,660 has conspired to coincide with the 50th 985 00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:02,730 anniversary of the assassination of John 986 00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:04,230 F Kennedy possibly the most famous 987 00:41:08,090 --> 00:41:06,750 conspiracy theory of all time if you've 988 00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:08,100 ever wanted to learn about the truth 989 00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:10,260 behind the death of JFK what makes for a 990 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:11,880 good conspiracy theory and why they are 991 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:13,890 so prevalent Canberra skeptics invites 992 00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:16,050 you to attend that is of course should 993 00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:18,360 you choose to accept it come to national 994 00:41:29,339 --> 00:41:20,700 skeptics convention org and just 995 00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:35,300 Oh 996 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:37,920 thank you for listening to the skeptic 997 00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:40,210 zone and are you still here Adele hello 998 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:44,440 what do you have to say no more 999 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:46,410 interviews a no more interviews today I 1000 00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:49,690 wish you could see this folks is lying 1001 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:51,670 on her back in the Sun tossing and 1002 00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:54,610 turning looking up to me and say what 1003 00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,390 are you doing on next week's show I 1004 00:42:01,590 --> 00:42:00,160 think we'll probably have some more dr. 1005 00:42:04,020 --> 00:42:01,600 Phil Plait I'm going to be seeing him 1006 00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:04,030 again before he leaves such a pleasure 1007 00:42:10,350 --> 00:42:06,430 to see old friends like like Phil Plait 1008 00:42:12,810 --> 00:42:10,360 in Sydney I love looking at the stars 1009 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:12,820 with Phil Plait it it's just incredible 1010 00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:16,330 we'll have some more Maynard's spooky 1011 00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:18,910 action coming up soon and other bits and 1012 00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:21,430 pieces but until then this is Richard 1013 00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:24,640 Saunders and I'm very quiet little 1014 00:42:32,820 --> 00:42:26,920 pussycat signing off from Sydney 1015 00:42:34,589 --> 00:42:32,830 Australia you've been listening to the 1016 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:34,599 skeptic zone 1017 00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:39,130 visit our website at www skeptic zoomtv